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Posted January 8, 2020
9 hours ago, LoneRecon400 said:
There should be extra criteria to clarify things, especially regarding Monastery Useage. How much Aux Battles should be allowed, for example? Should Fishing for Bullheads be accepted? What about for Professor Exp?Rigging for Promotions? And what of Stat Boosters and Gifts obtained through Gardening?
I can agree with monastery usage, but stat booster and stuff I think isn't necessary with to add because if one unit can get something, so can the others unless they havebench line stats.
9 hours ago, LoneRecon400 said:
I also think you should alsojust removethe recruitable units from the list andjust put them allinto one list. Would make it much more concise andeasier to read.
I guess I could do that, but at least for me I want to punish units more for being later recruitable on CF since it is so short, but I just realized now I haven't really done that.
9 hours ago, LoneRecon400 said:
-Byleth's description should really emphasize Faculty Training. That featurecan allow them to quickly accumulate enough Skill Exp to pick up skillsotherwise inconvenient to get such as Weight -3 or Healing Focus.
I will include your description! It took me so long to even make the tier list so sorry for my explanation being crap. I plan on updating as it goes.
9 hours ago, LoneRecon400 said:
-While Jertiza is worthy of his position, Distant Counter isn't that useful as it takes a 100 battles to obtain. On a no grind play through, that's so late it really doesn't come into play at all. Add to the fact that the Gambit Retribution does the same thing anyways and it really doesn't stand to be mentioned.
-Sylvain's description canstand to mention how benefits from +3 Attack from his Ingrid and Felix support.
Can't you use the knowledge gem to make the process faster? Also I said I will not consider team synergy so that does include retribution and support bonus.
9 hours ago, LoneRecon400 said:
- Shamir does not fall off at any point if she stays as a Sniper. Speed issues are a complete non issuefor her thanks to Hunter's Volley. Addingon the Killer Bow, Bow Crit+10,abattalion with high amounts of Crit, and her High Dexterity and Luck meansshe can reach 80+ Crit Rates rather easily.
Personally I found her best build to be falcon knight since it gives her a better player and enemy phase. Sure hunter volley is amazing, but staying as sniper makes her player phase exclusive, but ig this gives her flexibility if you have too many fliers.
9 hours ago, LoneRecon400 said:
-Ingird is not a Pegasus Knight by Chapter 5. Even when she becomes moreautoleveled as one, she's not anything particularly specialoutside of her speed. Autolevling doesn't levelFlighteither, so it's going to put off learningAlert Stance + by a substantial amount.
Yeah opps I meant after ch5. But still Pegasus knight has the best auto level growths. Additional 15 str and 10 spd is amazing. When you recruit her early shes solid and even late her bases are absurd. She's probably the only recruitable student along with Petra that even has a chance doubling.
9 hours ago, LoneRecon400 said:
-Dorothea's early game is less that stellar due to Thoron being limited to 4 uses and having shaky accuracy for most of the early game. She's certainly not better than Hubert.
Mages in general doesn't do that well in maddening. Shes only above Hubert due to the fact that she can also provide support.
9 hours ago, LoneRecon400 said:
-Speaking of which, Hubert most certainly needs more credit for learning Mire as soon C Reason and providing a +Attack Support with Edelgard. Frozen Lance as a Budding Talent is also useful for the early game.
As I said not accounting team synergy. Ig frozen lance is really good early game haven't thought about that, but I don't think its really enough that I can rank him any higher than B+. Idk we'll see.
9 hours ago, LoneRecon400 said:
-Felix is not at all difficult to recruit considering that raising his Support to B lowers the Sword Requirement to D+. Unfortunately, heis also a terrible unit to recruit since he only trains Swords andBrawling, which makes him that much harderto reachgood classes like Wyvern or Bow Knight. And that's not to mention his Authority Bane
-Likewise, Lysithea only requires D+ Faith to be recruited at B Rank Support. Her learningWarp at B Faith also makes her instantly A Tier at least. Mastermind is also skill that should get mention for allowing her to obtain Fiendish Blowmore easily and allowing to her reach S reason much sooner than most other mages.
Requiring B support imo is lots of investment in felix's case because you would want to recruit him fast as possible.I prob should add that to be a bit more clear. Again sorry for my shit explanation. Same with Lysithea you would want to recruit her fast as possible to get fiendish blow and early warp. I was though debating putting her in A or not though. I thought putting her higheris overrating warp, but if enough people want her up then I'll bump her.
9 hours ago, LoneRecon400 said:
-Caspar is easily the worst unit in the route. 6 Base Speed with no impressive Attack or Combat Arts gives him no niche and leave him rather useless until Advancedclass bases and Deathblow start to kick in. Authority Bane is also ratherouch.
His best performance is CF and SS though. But I do agree he does suck. I might move him down. I just think he should at least be a tier aboveAshe since he'll prob do better as wyvern.
10 hours ago, LoneRecon400 said:
Hanneman is pretty much interchangeable with Dorothea, with the only difference really being that she gets Rally Charm instead of Rally Magic andlearns Meteor a bit quicker.
Again lack of utility brings him down. By the time he joins Dorothea has physics. Honestly thats whats really carrying her placement. Maybe I'm overrating it.
10 hours ago, LoneRecon400 said:
-Ignatz has a boon in Authority, making him capable of using the really useful A rankBattalions sooner,such Indech Sword Fighters for Retribution, or Dance of the Goddess on the Blue Lions Route.
The problem is that auto level he trains in sword and bows. So when you recruit him his authority rank isn't that high.
10 hours ago, LoneRecon400 said:
-Annette is more certainly not C Tier, as her rallies alone ensure that she's at least B tier. She also makes for a very competent Wyvernrider with the Lighting Axe Combat Art andthe Bolt Axe, which is a rather unique niche.
I heard mixed opinions on the wyvern build so honestly I don't know how I would rank her in that case, but her rallies are only really useful early game. By the time you recruit her she's and get her authority rank high enough, rallies aren't going to be that useful.
8 hours ago, Glennstavos said:
Dorothea's early game is the weakest aspect of the character. With her weakness in Faith, you can't even pick up a basic heal spell in time for Chapter 2, one of the hardest chapters in the game. I'm not sureI even got it in time for Chapter 3 in my playthrough. By the time I unlocked her budding talent she wasn't even E+ rank. All she brings to the table for these early fights is her four thunder spells and nothing else with that 5 strength. And if she could at least heal she could gain experience outside of combat. Getting her level ups on those four thunder spells is a nightmare I'd never want to repeat. Especially since her thunder spell will see 70-80 accuracy for those kills due to linked attack bonuses not yet being strong enough to help her. And her mid and late game aren't at all noteworthy compared to other mages. She just becomes passable.
Okay I should prob update the description then. But I do think physics and 3 range does put her at least in B+. For in house physics users I put them all at least A except her to punish that.
8 hours ago, Glennstavos said:
I think it should be emphasized how bad a weakness in authority is. You really got to spend instruction sessions patching it up on those units. Just equipping them with a battalion isn't enough. And there's no class in the game that provides a bonus in authority gains, besides classes exclusive to Byleth and the Lords. For example, you need to see 100 rounds of combat just to go from E to D. It's ridiculous, and especially hurts recruited units since they don't have as much time to work on it over the course of the game as your initial class does.
Yep I think I underestimated authority too much. Def should punish felix and hilda more if recruited.
3 hours ago, Ari Chan said:
- Marianne should be higher, she basically has monopoly on Silence consideringManuela is pretty bad as a unit and you already have Linhardt for Warp. This spell is incredibly useful later on since some of the most dangerous enemies are those with siege tomes and walking nuke Gremories, she also has Thoron +Riding strength and recruiting her is very easy ( D+ Riding if you have at least C support with her).
I feel silence is very niche. Most of my playthroughs I found just using physics on a unit is better.
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